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You can't find a better starting topic then to debate the existing of God... or it being one of the worlds largest lies. Cultures on every single land space believe in some sort of higher power.


What do you think?

im probably the only person in my family who does not believe in god. well im not a total atheist, because the only thing i dont believe is that he created the earth, the oceans etc. after i took earth science and astronmy last year i believed in the big bang theory. the only things i believe are armageddon and either you ascend to heaven or descend to hell.

i honestly don't know what i am anymore, i used to be a catholic, but now that i am older and can form my own opinions i start to see the idiocy of religion.
here are a few points

1) In the ten commandments does it not say 'thou shalt not murder' yet religion has caused many wars, devastation, and the crusades?
2) In the bible a section tells of when GOD lets a DEMON kill a man, one of his creations, because he was a bad person. If this god was such a great being would he allow this treachery to go on, the answer is no.
3) Many religions are criticized by other religions when in those same societies they are taught to forgive and to forget, to love each brother for who they are.
4) Going to church doesn't make you anymore a Christian than standing in a garage makes me a car.


Also in response to virtuosity, are you blind or just dumb?
We know that evolution has occurred, whether you chose to ignore it or accept it is your own choice. We know that someone built that building because it was witnessed by people. What evidence shows the existence of god? The bible? A STORY that was written thousands of years ago? Did you ever stop to think that maybe, just possibly the bible was a fictional STORY? No, most likely you haven't. Why? Because you are supposed to believe blindly. Not to think for yourself, you must believe this, you must believe that. There is no more reason to believe in god than to fear the giant flying three-headed hamster that lives in the Sky Kingdom.

and one more thing for virtuosity, like so many have stated and that website stated, god gave them free will, that is fine, but to put a tree of good and evil(the tree of knowledge) into the garden and say you may eat from any tree but that tree is just plain stupid. If god was/is real and is all-knowing why would he allow this tree to exist? Just because he wanted to see if we would eat from it? Are you familiar with Greek or Roman Mythology? This relates perfectly. Maybe like the Greeks and Romans, the ancient city's in Jerusalem and the surrounding area made up their own belief to explain why such things happened. The ancient Greeks made up myths for two reasons 1) to teach and 2)to explain isn't the bible just another way to teach and explain things to man.
well this is what i believe.

Damn, this guy has some pretty good arguments.

God is nothing but something made to frighten people of beeing evil.

k1llampt wrote:i honestly don't know what i am anymore, i used to be a catholic, but now that i am older and can form my own opinions i start to see the idiocy of religion.
here are a few points

1) In the ten commandments does it not say 'thou shalt not murder' yet religion has caused many wars, devastation, and the crusades?
2) In the bible a section tells of when GOD lets a DEMON kill a man, one of his creations, because he was a bad person. If this god was such a great being would he allow this treachery to go on, the answer is no.
3) Many religions are criticized by other religions when in those same societies they are taught to forgive and to forget, to love each brother for who they are.
4) Going to church doesn't make you anymore a Christian than standing in a garage makes me a car.


Also in response to virtuosity, are you blind or just dumb?
We know that evolution has occurred, whether you chose to ignore it or accept it is your own choice. We know that someone built that building because it was witnessed by people. What evidence shows the existence of god? The bible? A STORY that was written thousands of years ago? Did you ever stop to think that maybe, just possibly the bible was a fictional STORY? No, most likely you haven't. Why? Because you are supposed to believe blindly. Not to think for yourself, you must believe this, you must believe that. There is no more reason to believe in god than to fear the giant flying three-headed hamster that lives in the Sky Kingdom.

Well let me start of by saying who told you that if you go to church that it makes you more Christian then others? Who ever told you that is a fool. No where in the bible does it state that going to church makes you a better person. You talk about the ten commandments and such, just because the ten commandments are there doesn't mean people aren't going to sin and do wrong. Also don't be going off calling people dumb because it is a belief in which I believe in. How can you call the bible fictional? Read Revelation because it proves that the person who wrote it clearly knew what he was talking about. Also that is bullshit about believing blindly.. You think just because I was told to believe in something and not question it means I will do as they say? I believe in my religion for my own person reasons. Maybe you should put yourself in someone else shoes before you call another dumb.

well first just because i BELIEVE you are dumb does not make you dumb, and just because you BELIEVE in 'god' does not make him exist.

My point about the ten commandments is that they were made to give man a moral code and to TEACH them right from wrong. The bible can not be proven to be a true account, nor can it be proven false, but i believe that it is. The Greeks did it, the Romans did it, the Egyptians did it, the Mayans did it, virtually every society in history has their own myths to TEACH man about certain mysteries that can not be explained without some elaborate story.

The bible is merely a story designed for entertainment. What evidence other than the bible do you have, if you can show me do so.

and another thing is that i have been there, i USED to be a Catholic but my eyes were opened to the real world. Even if you yourself don't believe blindly, a lot of others do. You can not say that there has been no such thing as evolution or you are an idiot. You can say 'god' does or doesn't exist because there are no hard facts proving either to be true. I believe that the bible is nothing more than the greatest myth ever written.

Are you telling me you don't believe in evolution? well here is something to think about.

God created the earth in 7 days right? well that would mean man and the dinosaurs existed at the same time. This is an impossibility. So it's either a flaw in the bible, evolution has occurred which means god didn't create man(another flaw), or god created man later(yet another flaw)

Apparently none of you are understanding what I mean by not believing in evolution. I don't know what religion it is but a religion believes that man came from the Earth, that we came from a single celled organism and grew from that cell. If this was the case in what part of the process did blood get introduced? I do believe in evolving things just not the story that we came from a single celled organism.

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i am a mixture mostly of both, i do not believe completely in any god, but i also do not believe that we evolved from something like a fucking tadpole either

you claim to be athiest i have one question for you
How can you claim something does not exist without its existance to begin with?

Also about the Dinosaur topic I do believe man & Dinosaurs existed. In the bible I believe it is revelations they talk about us (man) finding unknown species everyday. Well what species is this? In the Area 51 topic there was brought up that they were aliens but come on just as you said you can't exactly prove with just the bible that God does or does not exist. Now that being said what proof do we have of aliens? Non, you can't prove it nor disprove it. BUT if you think about this unknown species and how the bible mentions about "Dragons" well were there really dragons? OR were they actually Dinosaurs? As to many cultures have myths about giant reptiles well this is because they were actually seen. Also read this page:
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/dinoscoexist.html

You don't believe completely in any God? So you believe somewhat but not fully?

i never claimed to be an atheist, maybe you should actually read the post, not once did i claim(using your words) to be an atheist

yes virtuosity, i somewhat believe, but some parts i find hard to believe.

I think he assumed that because you sort of said you don't believe in anything lol

EDIT: Well explain what parts

well i do believe some things like the flood, which is reasonable, but not to that great of a measure, maybe like a few towns or something, definitely not the whole earth, considering if you take all the water in the atmosphere, oceans and below the earth's surface it couldn't span the globe, i believe that god created some sort of 'man' whether it was intelligent or not i can not say, i believe that we did not exist at the same time as dinosaurs though. I do believe in aliens, never seen one, but if you're that ignorant to believe we are the only intelligent life in the entire universe than so be it, my reasoning for the alien topic is that there are millions of lightyears of planets and such out there, so it's easy to think that out of those many planets at least one may have life, but there are many things about the bible i have still not made my mind about yet

Honestly... Noah's story is the most unlikely of them all. I find it hard to understand that about of everything you have said, everything you believe, and everything you have commented on.... you pick that story as feasible.

Let's put the story in factual terms.....

"God" made it rain, and flooded the earth. He had Noah make a boat to hold his family and 2 of every type of animals. He did this to cleanse the earth and said it would never be done again.

Well, the only people alive that could have written that was Noah or his family... yet they are not the ones who actually recorded it... it was part of scrolls written hundreds of years later. If Noah and his family were the only ones on the ark... that means they were responsible for incestuously populating the earth.... unless they procreated with some of the animals... who knows... maybe we did come from monkeys. Also the every species of animals would have had to come from only one pair of survived parents....

So the part you find real is that it may have rained hard and some cities got flooded? It really seems pointless to even use that as reference at all considering floods happen daily. It's not something you need to "believe in".... thats nature.

EDIT: I have to also comment on this line.... "but if you're that ignorant to believe we are the only intelligent life in the entire universe than so be it".....

Honestly... if you believe that there are aliens, which I agree... How can we be compared to "intelligent life". We are a self-indulgent, destructive, and ignorant species at best.... we are far from "intelligent life".

virtuosity wrote:Also about the Dinosaur topic I do believe man & Dinosaurs existed. In the bible I believe it is revelations they talk about us (man) finding unknown species everyday. Well what species is this? In the Area 51 topic there was brought up that they were aliens but come on just as you said you can't exactly prove with just the bible that God does or does not exist. Now that being said what proof do we have of aliens? Non, you can't prove it nor disprove it. BUT if you think about this unknown species and how the bible mentions about "Dragons" well were there really dragons? OR were they actually Dinosaurs? As to many cultures have myths about giant reptiles well this is because they were actually seen. Also read this page:
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/dinoscoexist.html

I am sorry but you CANNOT be serious. This is the kind of thing that pisses me off. You can't seriously believe an angelfire website that's so ridiculous it makes me laugh over scientifically proven data and common sense. Seriously, that website claims there's people seeing dinosaurs as recent as 1971!

We find unknown species everyday, that is FACT. That is happening today and it will continue happening tomorrow, that is a statement of amazement at the amount of biodiversity in this planet, it is not, however, proof that prehistoric dinosaurs are living among us. Cultures have myths about giant reptiles because in ancient cultures, they had a meaning. For example, in the Mayan and Aztec cultures Quetzalcoatl (or Kukulcan) (image) was the link between the humans (earth, snake) and the gods (heaven, fly, feathers, wings).

Seriously, don't you think that if people saw them as commonly as they did in the middle ages (relatively recently in Earth's history) as to make stories about them it wouldn't be that much of a secret? Don't you think we would have fossils that date in the same time as humans?

To me, THIS is worst than being ignorant, you disregard all the evidence regarded as fact and choose to believe something that is ridiculous and mind boggling with absolutely no proof.

thats my point, that its not really god that causes most of the things listed in the bible, since after all it is a STORY(FICTION). A large world wide flood is impossible, and like you stated Noah and his family would have had to repopulate the world since they were the 'only' survivors and they did not write it. A swarm of locusts, well since locusts migrate together in large swarms by nature, what makes this any different, this was just an overpopulation of the insects, oh
no! all the plagues were really common ailments and things that have normal explanations, not supernatural beings.

u can call me an atheist or what ever you want, but the fact remains, that 'god' contradicts himself.

The story of adam and eve says that he took adam's bottom rib to in part make eve, and this is why women have one more set of ribs. What is this doing for man? this is explaining, not unlike other myths. When the ancient Greek society found a problem that they could not explain logically, they turned to fabricating myths that could help them understand the subject. The myth of Callisto explains why the constellations Ursa Major and Ursa Minor never set below the horizon. The whole bible is nothing more than a collection of myths. You may say, "but this has the creation mentioned:. Well, so do other societies myths. Rig Veda, Enuma Elish,and the Creation according to Hesiod, they are all the same concept isnt it possible that the bible was created for the same purpose. The same basic concepts are in each mythology. There are 'floods' in each of them, periods when man has its disbelief in god or the gods. Maybe the bible was meant to teach and to explain but some people took it to be true, that 'god' existed. All of these other myths are virtually the same as the bible. And a few were written before the bible came to be. And all of these other stories we now know to be false. So why do we still believe the greatest myth ever written to be true.

in reply to t@d's edited section, lol, we are intelligent life compared to anything we know. Do you consider a parasite to be intelligent? Just because we have impulses and such faults does not mean we are unintelligent, it just means that we are human