you could say that, we are definitely the most intelligent species in our solar system.... well some of us, and i certainly do not believe that we are the smartest beings in the universe, but this is beside the point considering the topic is over god so i will get back on topic before some people go off on an incoherent rant about absolutely nothing. All i am saying about god is that there are so many things that contradict him/her/it that i find it hard to believe. the many similarities with myths lead me to believe that logically the bible is fiction.

I disagree, there's NOTHING that contradicts the existence of a god. And even if there is, there's always a way to spin it to be "god's will". That's the tricky thing about god, that you'll never be able to prove the contrary of him because of the characteristics that religions have given him. How can I refute something when that something is everything: omnipotent, omnipresent, EVERYTHING.

And that's exactly why I don't believe in its existence.

Religion is the most controversial subject that will never be fully won in an argument. If you're Atheist, you will throw intelligent remark after intelligent remark at religious people and they will simply twist your words to coincide with the Bible or "God's Divine Plan" and whatnot. Neither side will ever win. You cannot prove or disprove an omnipotent being, just like you can't prove or disprove that there is an infinite amount of energy in the universe, or that ghosts roam the earth. It's all based on imagination, hypotheses, personal philosophies, and the dictation of your philosophies.

I guess since I'm Atheist, I must have no faith or imagination, and my personal philosophies must be wrong, because they don't coincide with God's morals. That's why I don't believe in a God, not because I can't, but because I don't like thinking my life is in the hands of some all-powerful, all-knowing, egomaniac who lets war, famine, disease, destruction, rape, murder, poverty, crime, and corruption plague our world.

"Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man. No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this." - George Carlin, R.I.P.

Actually what Ant said makes some sense. If we're debating the existence of god, technically god does exist.

What I think Ant meant is that since people believe there's a god, and those beliefs have affected the real world, the phenomenon of god is real. This does not mean that god, as a being, exists; but it does mean that god is a real thing, that has influenced the physical world in many ways, and thus, it's existence is real.

I disagree about the 1 legged flying dog or whatever because unless that thought translates into reality, into the physical world, and the consequences are palpable like when talking about god, it does not exist.

Remember, the god phenomenon has raised and destroyed many civilizations, lives, temples, beliefs, ways of life... if it didn't exist, it couldn't affect the physical world. Since it does affect it, it does exist, just not as a supreme being.

What I'm saying is that Ant is correct, it's just not the point this discussion was trying to make.

Well. Just an example. Can you touch an idea ? Can you see it ? Smell it ? Is it physically existing ? No. But, when you have an idea, it exists. As a non physical thing. It's the same with my 1 thousand legged dog. It exists as an idea, not as a physical matter.

Still thinking my post was dumb ?

damn, edit button left home.. I don't believe in god. What I said prooves that God is a nonsense. Read it again, and ask me if some points aren't clear.

So if you don't believe in God then you don't believe in the Devil or Demonic people?

That would be correct.

This goes as well as Ghosts and such?

IMO, devil has its existence as an idea, because it isn't even hard to think of something that is filled only by pain and hatred. Its opposite should be something angelic, something filled with pleasure and forgiveness / love. Actually, if you think of something, you make it existing through yourself, as an idea.
Like I said, I believe that something need to have an opposite to be fully existing, even as an idea. It's a common matter in physic sciences, the universe is balanced. I'm not repeating it all over, just, if god is everything, then you can't think of an opposite, because thinking of nothing is (impossible, but let's assume it is possible) already making it something, it's already making it an idea.